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What a great discussion!

The question you present is ultimately a question of behavior: why do humans conduct themselves or "behave" the way they do? It's an age-old question, and despite our technological progress in biology and connectomics, I doubt we'll be able to create a technical map of behavior any time soon.

Therefore, it's far more useful to address the empirical world: what behaviors tend to emerge and under what conditions? Humans tend to behave in a manner that raises or maintains the way they perceive their own hierarchical status, and that does not trade off food or other perceived essentials like a woman or a family member whom they've grown attached to. But, as I'll get to later, having food and other perceived essentials are indistinguishable from maintaining/raising one's own hierarchical status.

You can imagine a little man who is beat by his superiors, into submission, and is convinced by the forces exerted against him that there's no hope to ascend within the hierarchies he's come to know. Nevertheless, he will try to maintain his position and not do any more wrong, so as to avoid any more beating, thus maintaining his current hierarchical status. Or, he may decide to rebel again, ferociously, in an attempt to defeat his captors and thereby raise his hierarchical status. Or, he may decide to commit suicide, not for selfless reasons, but because he believes that the torture he's enduring is worse than death, and he would have a higher status in death.

Imagine another person, who is about to do something that he knows for certain will result in his own death, but he is going to do anyway because he believes it will make him a "hero" of the republic. In other words, people are both able to perceive their own hierarchical status in life, and imagine what it would look like in death. This is the primary rationale for the good "soldier," and explains why he commits "heroic" and "selfless" acts that would raise his hierarchical status significantly in death or, in the event of survival, do the same. #longLiveTheRepublic

If you don't have access to food or water, your hierarchical status will plummet, because you will die. Thus, these items are also part of the hierarchy framework.

Thus, people do "good" and "bad" things in an effort to at least not lose their current hierarchical status.

Selfless actions can always be spun into a selfish act.

I was just having a similar talk with my girlfriend who was mauled by a nematode.

Apologies in advance.

Yours faithfully,

Convicted SP farmer

Dua Lipa is good, but not my cup of tea. This song is kinda boring.
Out of all Albanian singers, Rita Ora is my favourite:

Thank you! It seems that it works again.

This is something that has been rolling around in the back of my mind for a while.... I thought it would be interesting to see what you all have to say about the topic.

There seem to be two competing schools of thought on this. One is that "people are basically good", but sometimes resort to doing bad things because of their conditions/environment/failings of society/etc. This kind of thinking seems prevalent mostly on the politically left-leaning side of the spectrum. (I would call it "wishful thinking".)

The other school of thought is that people are basically bad, but can choose to do good. I think this idea tends to align with Christian philosophy, i.e. that man is "fallen" and therefore lives in a state of sin, but by faith/choices/good works can become good. I think this also aligns with conservative ideology / politically right-leaning people who tend to be more rational / logic-based in their view of the world (whereas the left are more emotional-based), because any rational person looking around at the condition of the world would have to acknowledge there are a lot of bad people out there.

My personal take on it is that people are inherently... selfish. I view selfishness as a bad quality in general (although there are always limits/exceptions), so if there is a spectrum from good to bad, most people are somewhere on the bad side.

Certainly humans are capable of great evil, i.e. your Hitlers, Stalins, etc., but that's the extreme. Most people are not murderers -- but I do think most people are predictably too self-centered in their decision making. I'm talking about people who care about their own desires more than (or at the expense of) the needs of others, if they even think of others at all, and who take advantage whenever they feel they can get away with it. People who naturally lie, cheat, or steal for personal gain (no matter how small). In my experience the majority % of people fall into this category.

(And yes it should be stated here that "good" people do exist, i.e. people who genuinely care about others above themselves, who often make sacrifices at great personal cost for the needs of others, or for the objective moral "right thing to do". But based on my "lived experience" I would say this is a minority % of the population to be sure. When you find genuinely good people, you should cherish them!)

All that being said -- if people are generally selfish (or on the spectrum of being "bad", if you will), why isn't the world an even more horrible place than it already is?

It occurs to me that there is at least one other force going in the other direction -- people's inherent need to be "liked" by other people. Certainly the importance of this influences different people to varying degrees -- some people are extremely sensitive to what others think of them, some very little so. But it seems to me that this a fairly universal phenomenon.

So there we have 2 competing forces -- one the desire to get whatever we want regardless of who's expense at which it comes, but at the same time the desire to be liked or thought well of by others, which restrains us a bit.

Am I on the right track here, or am I missing something?

Respond with a song and critique the other's song choice above (others can join).
I'll start with the first song.


The ball is in your court now...

Try it now: https://atwar-game.com/games/?link=7518335530

The current game save was corrupted (probably happened when the server crashed few days ago), but I pulled the previous save from backup and it loaded. It probably took the game back in time by 1 turn but that's the best I can do....

I've taken some ideas from this thread and added a few more forums

Thank you all for your input. I may implement a few more ideas when I have more time.

Written by Guest, 09.08.2016 at 22:58

This should be locked, it is old, and cold case mad an update.

so tru

Written by Frieren, 15.10.2024 at 19:41

This wil only work if atwar mods add sp back to rp maps and let us sp farm. otherwise atwar will be dead forever

so true... when sp police was around aw wasnt so dead. correlation = causation here

This wil only work if atwar mods add sp back to rp maps and let us sp farm. otherwise atwar will be dead forever

The original intention behind PC drops was to support and motivate newcomers in beginner lobbies, not to make them a regular feature for experienced players. However, over time, we began hosting them more frequently in the main lobby to fill larger games and maintain activity. I still believe these games shouldn't be scheduled but rather held occasionally. You can expect one or two of these per week when I have time, usually around 7-8 PM European time, but there won't be any fixed dates or set schedule.
It would help if you gave me some suggestions for settings, I might do ancient this week. I haven't played ancient in years.

Make it weekly

I was in the US army got out a few years ago and regret my choice of MOS so bad, I was a signal tard and the transition of the people I met in basic to AIT was so big. In basic the viewpoints and values was very varied but in AIT the people were very cosmopolitan liberal types, worse when I got to my actual unit. The cav scout dudes were so cool and I'm really sad I didn't go with that

Nowadays we don't have as many SP/PC drops as we used to, So I got this idea. Host a weekly/fortnight/monthly game were a big pc drop happens. This game is scheduled, so people will know that at that time a PC drop will happen. I suggest a time like Sunday at 14:00 EST, which is the best time imo. This will mean that a lot of people will be present (maybe getting to around 40 players!)

The amount of PC/SP to be given out is up to the supporter team.

Be ready to become scam-land

But we had 6 active players there: Commodus (Mexico, yellow), Dah (Brasil,dark green), stuarthk (Terror, black), Maxashton3301 (USA, blue) , me (UK, light green) and JediMasterIam (red, Russia).

I cant see the pic, it doesnt load to me.

Is this the game you guys are talking about?

Hi, I can confirm too, I was one of the players. This was the original link: https://hu.atwar-game.com/games/?link=7518335530
If I remember well, it was available the last time around Friday morning.

I can confirm, I was playing that game too,
then last week, I don't remember the day, i couldn't access the servers, the next day the game was gone and it didn't even show the stats of the games played.
Nothing bad, things that can happen.

Written by Oleg, 14.10.2024 at 05:20

I don't like Adele, Dua Lipa is better.

Messaged you.
Edit: Well, nvm - I can't message you; so here it is:
Apologizes for the late reply,
I checked the logs and it appears that there is no active or finished game with the name "New World Empires XIV".
I forwarded this issue to the administration and I will get back to you when I know more.

Written by Le Pourfendeur, 13.10.2024 at 00:59

Okay thank you my friend, the name of the map is : " Le Pourfendeur's map 3"

Normaly the fighters are not locked behind upgrades i think

tell me if you see anything special with this map,

thank you

Hi. I was able to create a game and make air transport and fighters. I see some no-go zones on your map in Turkey. Try uploading a screenshot on Imgur.com and sending the link here.

AtWar Support

Hi, it looks like we may have had a game go missing during the server problems last week. I am the Admin for the game. I don't have the game (link) number but I do have a game name. The game name is New World Empires XIV. I was a player in the game and the game was active. Is it possible for you to reinstate the game. As you might expect several of the players are not too happy about it disappearing. Thanks in advance...

Commodus

Written by Dave, 13.10.2024 at 20:37

zip

Your taxes going down under Trump makes sense because of the 2017 tax cuts, which did provide breaks for a lot of Americans. But most of the benefits went to corporations and wealthier folks. While middle-income earners got a temporary break, those cuts are set to expire in 2025, whereas corporate tax cuts are permanent. The fact is the cuts didn't stimulate the growth enough to cover the revenue loss. The CBO even projected that these cuts would add $1.9 trillion to the deficit over the next decade.

I don't think it's fair to put the blame for inflation entirely on the Biden administration. Inflation is affecting the whole world. Europe is seeing similar spikes. It's primarily caused by the aftermath of COVID and the war in Ukraine. Even if Trump was president now, you would be dealing with the similiar inflation.

In Montenegro, we've had a similar experience with the Evropa Sad Act, whose creators were inspired by Trump's 2017 tax policies. They introduced wage increases and tax cuts. People had more money in their pockets. But just like in the US, these policies led to disaster. Inflation skyrocketed, and higher incomes were quickly eaten by rising prices for everything. The reforms didn't address deeper issues in the economy, and now we're dealing with similar problems.

Both the US and Montenegro examples show that while tax cuts can offer short-term relief, they often lead to long-term issues if not done well. What's interesting is that the politicians behind the reforms lost power before the negative effects of their policies kicked in. So when inflation surged and the economy struggled, they managed to shift the blame on the new government, even though their reforms caused the problems.

This allowed them to make a comeback, even winning the presidency and forming a new government. Their politics, much like Trump's, focused on populism. In fact, the leader of this movement often retweets Trump. But their rise to power didn't last long. As the economic fallout from their policies continued, their popularity tanked. What everyone thought would be new and changing politics turned out to be reckless, and they're expected to lose the next elections.

That said, I hope things improve for you. Oddly enough, I also kinda hope Trump wins - though not for the reasons you might think. In my view, it might be worse for the US and the world, but better for the EU in the long run. During Trump's presidency, the EU became more independent, pushing for a more centralized and unified stance on both economic and geopolitical issues. But once Biden came into office, the US returned as a reliable partner, and that momentum in the EU stalled. So while I don't think it's the best outcome for the US, a Trump presidency could force Europe to become more self-reliant again.

1. He lost his connection at turn 5 (Played until t5) ~ your own screenshot shows last active (last played) turn 4.
2. Turn 5:

3. "Game was in my opinion 55/45 in Prestiges favor"
4. Our unit count was 2x on turn 5
5. Dominoz was blitz, UK was imp - what is the win condition for them here?
6. Are we going to make cry topics about every cw now?

Written by Augustus Caesar, 13.10.2024 at 22:31

Standard Pavle behaviour lol

Deletion is up to Tungston, not me. I am against it though.

P.S Let's not even start about them failing the cw so that they can swap picks in the remake. We stayed and played. Accept the loss and move on.

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This Oleg guy thought i'm an alt so he showed no mercy. Around t6 i was like 'hold up, why is turk attacking me in france'.

Standard Pavle behaviour lol