Idea to stop the leavers

Hi, an idea to stop the leavers players in the games in escenarios, duels, 1v1, cw´s whatever game we could talk about it.

My idea is not to let or don´t allow a player to leave any game from a % of games left up.

I mean for example a player with 50% games left.

That means that this player starts or play 10 games and leaves 5, so he really play the other 5, and from this 5 can win 3 or 4 or 5.

So, in his profile, only appears that players win 80 or 90% or 100% times, date which is false, cause really he has left the other 5 for diferent reaons, normally cause is loosing or etc etc etc.

This is especially annoying in scenarios or just in the moment when a player is going to be capped, first case cause ruin the games and second one cause make the player is winning loose an important amount of sp´s.

And in the profile of the leaver player never will appear that game like defeated (cause he left).

I propose don´t allow the players leave the games if it´s a typical leaver, so if his ratio of left games is higher than a %, maybe 50% whatever we could set.

Sorry if my english is not very good.

I think is a great idea for improve the game.

Hope for your answers.

Thanks in advance.

It looks like interesting.

Good idea.

I´m up for it.

Especially leavers are high ranks cause they think he can never loose.

Good idea.

No support.What if player have to leave because of jobs,works,etc?

Http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=10088

No support, because when leavers leave the scenario first turn and it fails, then everyone else will also leave. That will make everyone's leave percentage go up, and ultimately everyone will fear being penalized.
Also if it's a person trolling nothing can stop him from surrendering first turn.

Hormi your idea is bad, i suggest banning all Rp player from your game.

Written by NoOne, 05.03.2015 at 14:25

No support, because when leavers leave the scenario first turn and it fails, then everyone else will also leave. That will make everyone's leave percentage go up, and ultimately everyone will fear being penalized.
Also if it's a person trolling nothing can stop him from surrendering first turn.

Cede all mod power to the Reich and we will stop all Leavers on AW in one week.

Written by Aetius, 05.03.2015 at 22:05

Cede all mod power to the Reich and we will stop all Leavers on AW in one week.

Written by Aetius, 05.03.2015 at 22:05

Cede all mod power to the Reich and we will stop all Leavers on AW in one week.

Hahaha great idea

It's not a bad idea... it's been awhile since this topic has resurfaced, so just gonna throw in my 2 cents... that there also be an option in settings for 'sp' leaving penalty... so if a player leaves before a certain turn (imagine options between turn 1 and turn 10) he pays the SP pool an SP penalty (imagine options from 100 to 1000). If a player has to leave due to emergency, he loses his SP regardless. If his house is literally burning, take a photo of it and submit a report from the fire marshal to the mods, and maybe they'll restore the SP... but seriously , if a player can't plan to spend 30 minutes on a game, then AW may not be the game for him anyway. But good topic ! i am for any move that helps players stay, especially in the first few turns.

Written by Black Sunshine, 05.03.2015 at 13:36

No support.What if player have to leave because of jobs,works,etc?

Dude, first of all if u have to go to work don´t start a game.

And second one, i´m talking about tipycal leavers, with more than 45 or 50% games left.

If u are a honest person and not a leaver and it´s not your case, u should not to worry about this.

Noob idea

Written by NoOne, 05.03.2015 at 14:25

No support, because when leavers leave the scenario first turn and it fails, then everyone else will also leave. That will make everyone's leave percentage go up, and ultimately everyone will fear being penalized.
Also if it's a person trolling nothing can stop him from surrendering first turn.

So, u are confirming my idea.

That person is penalizing other people cause troller or leaver.

If it´s a leaver or troller probably has a high ratio of games left.

But u in that case are surrendering, not leaving.

I mean in the case u are going to capp or defeat a typical player who say he never looses, true, he never looses cause always leaves before got defeated.

Written by KYBL, 05.03.2015 at 18:27

Written by NoOne, 05.03.2015 at 14:25

No support, because when leavers leave the scenario first turn and it fails, then everyone else will also leave. That will make everyone's leave percentage go up, and ultimately everyone will fear being penalized.
Also if it's a person trolling nothing can stop him from surrendering first turn.

I´m not talking about trollers exactly, i´m talking about leavers, typical leavers that ruin the games when are loosing or are going about to loose.

Written by brianwl, 06.03.2015 at 12:04

It's not a bad idea... it's been awhile since this topic has resurfaced, so just gonna throw in my 2 cents... that there also be an option in settings for 'sp' leaving penalty... so if a player leaves before a certain turn (imagine options between turn 1 and turn 10) he pays the SP pool an SP penalty (imagine options from 100 to 1000). If a player has to leave due to emergency, he loses his SP regardless. If his house is literally burning, take a photo of it and submit a report from the fire marshal to the mods, and maybe they'll restore the SP... but seriously , if a player can't plan to spend 30 minutes on a game, then AW may not be the game for him anyway. But good topic ! i am for any move that helps players stay, especially in the first few turns.

That's a good idea. However how would you deal with people intentionally leaving early to contribute SP to the pool, thus transfering SP from one player to another?

No suport.

Written by minusSeven, 08.03.2015 at 00:23

No suport.

Jaja of course you don´t support this.

You have 55% of games left.

You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.

You could not leave more games till u got down 50% games left.

Hormi you have 39% left games. Out of your 7689 games played you left ...3000 games.

I really doubt does were all remakes.

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 07:46

Written by minusSeven, 08.03.2015 at 00:23

No suport.

Jaja of course you don´t support this.

You have 55% of games left.

You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.

You could not leave more games till u got down 50% games left.

1. I remember your eu 3k games which you played with me, you left every time after 1st turn when you had seen your moves were not that good so you can win easily.

2. You have nothing to say to Minus (even his number of left games is really big) because number of games you left is 2x bigger than number of games he even played.

3. No support

Written by Croat, 08.03.2015 at 08:10

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 07:46

Written by minusSeven, 08.03.2015 at 00:23

No suport.

Jaja of course you don´t support this.

You have 55% of games left.

You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.

You could not leave more games till u got down 50% games left.

1. I remember your eu 3k games which you played with me, you left every time after 1st turn when you had seen your moves were not that good so you can win easily.

2. You have nothing to say to Minus (even his number of left games is really big) because number of games you left is 2x bigger than number of games he even played.

3. No support

1. If i have left some game in first turn (i don´t remember exactly but could be) is just cause some fails, like most of players do.

2. My % is i play 10 games and leave 3,9 he plays 10 and leave 5,5. ( some reason must be and with less games played)

3. Obviously if you have a higher number of games played than other player althought my % is lower the number of the games left is bigger, but it´s not the same to play 7000 games and leave 1000 (an example) than have played 1000 and have left 550 ( another example)
Obviously one player have 1000 games left and the other player has 550 (almost the double), one of them have more true, but you can´t compare by this numbers, u have to compare by ratio.

I hope u understand this cause it´s very easy.

In fact the ratios are in red for something.

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 09:39

Written by Croat, 08.03.2015 at 08:10

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 07:46

Written by minusSeven, 08.03.2015 at 00:23

No suport.

Jaja of course you don´t support this.

You have 55% of games left.

You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.

You could not leave more games till u got down 50% games left.

1. I remember your eu 3k games which you played with me, you left every time after 1st turn when you had seen your moves were not that good so you can win easily.

2. You have nothing to say to Minus (even his number of left games is really big) because number of games you left is 2x bigger than number of games he even played.

3. No support

1. If i have left some game in first turn (i don´t remember exactly but could be) is just cause some fails, like most of players do.

2. My % is i play 10 games and leave 3,9 he plays 10 and leave 5,5. ( some reason must be and with less games played)

3. Obviously if you have a higher number of games played than other player althought my % is lower the number of the games left is bigger, but it´s not the same to play 7000 games and leave 1000 (an example) than have played 1000 and have left 550 ( another example)
Obviously one player have 1000 games left and the other player has 550, one of them have more true, but you can´t comapre by this numbers, u have to compare by ratio.

I hope u understand this cause it´s very easy.

In fact the ratios are in red for something.

(ratio between played and left games)

minusSeven: 2580 played - 1419 left
hormigaatomica: 7690 played - 3076 left

That means, if minus played same number of games as you played, he would have number about 3900-4000 left.
I agree, it is bigger number than yours, but if we compare yours and his numbers, you are still not allowed to say to him contemptuously: 'You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.'
If yes, than you can also be typical case for your own suggestion

Written by Croat, 08.03.2015 at 09:51

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 09:39

Written by Croat, 08.03.2015 at 08:10

Written by hormigaatomica, 08.03.2015 at 07:46

Written by minusSeven, 08.03.2015 at 00:23

No suport.

Jaja of course you don´t support this.

You have 55% of games left.

You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.

You could not leave more games till u got down 50% games left.

1. I remember your eu 3k games which you played with me, you left every time after 1st turn when you had seen your moves were not that good so you can win easily.

2. You have nothing to say to Minus (even his number of left games is really big) because number of games you left is 2x bigger than number of games he even played.

3. No support

1. If i have left some game in first turn (i don´t remember exactly but could be) is just cause some fails, like most of players do.

2. My % is i play 10 games and leave 3,9 he plays 10 and leave 5,5. ( some reason must be and with less games played)

3. Obviously if you have a higher number of games played than other player althought my % is lower the number of the games left is bigger, but it´s not the same to play 7000 games and leave 1000 (an example) than have played 1000 and have left 550 ( another example)
Obviously one player have 1000 games left and the other player has 550, one of them have more true, but you can´t comapre by this numbers, u have to compare by ratio.

I hope u understand this cause it´s very easy.

In fact the ratios are in red for something.

(ratio between played and left games)

minusSeven: 2580 played - 1419 left
hormigaatomica: 7690 played - 3076 left

That means, if minus played same number of games as you played, he would have number about 3900-4000 left.
I agree, it is bigger number than yours, but if we compare yours and his numbers, you are still not allowed to say to him contemptuously: 'You would be a tipycal case i´m talking about.'
If yes, than you can also be typical case for your own suggestion

I´m not the typical case , i ´m talking about 50 or more% games left (red numbers)

And when the number of the games played is higher is more difficult te have a decent ratio.

Bad idea

Written by notserral, 07.03.2015 at 16:53

Written by brianwl, 06.03.2015 at 12:04

It's not a bad idea... it's been awhile since this topic has resurfaced, so just gonna throw in my 2 cents... that there also be an option in settings for 'sp' leaving penalty... so if a player leaves before a certain turn (imagine options between turn 1 and turn 10) he pays the SP pool an SP penalty (imagine options from 100 to 1000). If a player has to leave due to emergency, he loses his SP regardless. If his house is literally burning, take a photo of it and submit a report from the fire marshal to the mods, and maybe they'll restore the SP... but seriously , if a player can't plan to spend 30 minutes on a game, then AW may not be the game for him anyway. But good topic ! i am for any move that helps players stay, especially in the first few turns.

That's a good idea. However how would you deal with people intentionally leaving early to contribute SP to the pool, thus transfering SP from one player to another?

Good point... i think the concern is player's leaving scenarios and larger player games, usually with more than 10 players. If the minimum was say 10 players for this option to be available, at most a player could transfer 111 sp, at a personal loss of 1000, and all leavers lose the 1k, but only 1000 max is contributed to the pool so only the people who play the initial 10 turns would collect. Yes, theoretically 111 sp could be transferred, but the cost would be 10 turns, and since your 'donator' is losing 1k, it would not be sustainable.

This is a bad idea, as a lot of high ranks wouldn't be able to play, imagine mapmakers who have accumulated their X% left games just from testing and wouldn't be able to even play their own maps and scenarios, that would be chaotic.

That´s different.

Anyway everybody knows who is a map maker and who is a typical leaver.

You are a map maker and have a 38% so it is not a problem.

So sow can we stop that players who are in red numbers and everybody knows they have a chance of leaving the game in more than the 50%?

I think there should be a kind of penalitazion or like i´m saying don´t let him to leave game till his ratio get down of 50%.

It´s like reinforcements in a city when there is no population for example.

Written by hormigaatomica, 11.03.2015 at 08:02

That´s different.

Anyway everybody knows who is a map maker and who is a typical leaver.

You are a map maker and have a 38% so it is not a problem.

So sow can we stop that players who are in red numbers and everybody knows they have a chance of leaving the game in more than the 50%?

I think there should be a kind of penalitazion or like i´m saying don´t let him to leave game till his ratio get down of 50%.

It´s like reinforcements in a city when there is no population for example.

hormi you have to understand it's not a very good way of determining who's a leaver, a leaver can still have a perfectly clean record if they play another game type but just wanted to troll, furthermore a lot of people have above 50%, that includes players that aren't leavers and this ratio will commonly keep jumping up like my leave ratio used to be 24%, this comes from failed games and tests, but in most players' case, this'll come from the games that got trolled by a leaver and triggers a leave spree afterwards, ultimately it wouldn't be a good tool, it would probably hurt more as many players that aren't leavers suddenly get blocked from joining.

There are some kind of leavers.

People who has the ratio in red numbers (up to 50%) is for something.

I´m not talking just about the typical leaver who trolls the game, a rank 5 or 6 who nobody knows and leave the game suddenly.

I´m talking too and especially about the players who leaves the games cause they are very proud and thinks they can never loose or get capped and when they are loosing or point to be capped just leave the game, and especially many high ranks.

Like i said there are my points to see this issue about, u can leave a game for trolling or you can leave a game cause u are going loosing or just in the point to get capped, so the player who is winnning loose the amount of sp´s or the rest of players have been waiting for starting the game for sometimes maybe 10 or 15 or 30 minutes are ruined and get angry.

there both are different things, do u understand what i mean?

U can recognise a troller or probably leaver just by his name or just by roleplayer, but some other players are legit players and knowed players with more than 50% games left, and that is cause something i´m not inventing the dates.

I u start to play with this player u know u already have the posibility in 50 or 55% times he can leaves the game.

More than 50 or 55% of ratio is not a good way of determining who is a leaver? OMG and sorry for the caps, but that ratio is here for something.

So who is the leaver the player who has 15% left games?

Written by Pyrrhus, 11.03.2015 at 09:34

Written by hormigaatomica, 11.03.2015 at 08:02

That´s different.

Anyway everybody knows who is a map maker and who is a typical leaver.

You are a map maker and have a 38% so it is not a problem.

So sow can we stop that players who are in red numbers and everybody knows they have a chance of leaving the game in more than the 50%?

I think there should be a kind of penalitazion or like i´m saying don´t let him to leave game till his ratio get down of 50%.

It´s like reinforcements in a city when there is no population for example.

hormi you have to understand it's not a very good way of determining who's a leaver, a leaver can still have a perfectly clean record if they play another game type but just wanted to troll, furthermore a lot of people have above 50%, that includes players that aren't leavers and this ratio will commonly keep jumping up like my leave ratio used to be 24%, this comes from failed games and tests, but in most players' case, this'll come from the games that got trolled by a leaver and triggers a leave spree afterwards, ultimately it wouldn't be a good tool, it would probably hurt more as many players that aren't leavers suddenly get blocked from joining.

Another example is a clan trying to check a player if it´s good or not for recluit him to his clan.

In his profile appears 30 games won and 4 left. Do u think this is a good player for CW?

Probably the clan would think so.

But what about if this player has 55% games left?

That means he really didn´t play 34 games and his ratio of victories is not 30/4, probably he has not played 34 games probably he did 50 or more and left a big amount of them.

I think we are talking about different issues, i think u are talking about the typical troller who leaves the game turn 1 cause trolling or something.